Interview With Integrative Medical Doctor Beth McDougall and William Brown – ARK Crystal

Dr. Beth McDougall and William Brown Discuss Water and Energy

Is the energy produced in our cells because of water?

Wow, this interview is fascinating!

Integrative Medical Doctor and Author Beth McDougall, M.D. interviewed our friend William Brown, Biophysicist and Resonance Science Foundation Faculty Member for World Water Day.

These two brilliant minds discussed the newest work by ARK Crystals inventor Nassim Haramein and the implications of Haramein's newest research.


William Brown and Dr Beth McDougall


William Brown also went deeper into some of the research done with the ARK Crystal and its practical uses. It's all very exciting and eye-opening.


Watch - William Brown & Dr. Beth on World Water Day 2022

Transcript Begins -

Dr. Beth McDougall - Hi everyone. I'm here today on Water Day 3-22-22 with scientist, biophysicist William Brown. And as many of you know, William Brown works with Nassim Haramein in their laboratory Torus Tech. And William, with his bio physics background has done a lot of research looking at water and its effects on living systems.  And they've developed as many of you know, the ARK Crystal and looked at the effects that the ARK Crystal has on water and then therefore, treated water on plants and other types of systems.

And arrays of ARK Crystals like the Tetra-helix, so there's very exciting results that they've seen with looking at water passing through the Tetra-helix and its effects on plants and other systems.

And they've done a lot of physical chemistry type research. Water they've also done a lot of theoretical modeling. So, theoretical modeling, looking at water’s role, with the origin of life and now water’s role with brain function and water’s role with bio energetics, which is really one of my very favorite topics and so, today, we're going to look at that and talk about that.

Nassim has written some incredible new physics along with his scientific partner, Olivier. And they're starting to apply their mathematical formulas to the human body.

William Brown here has been very involved in that and it turns out, water plays an enormous role as an interface and as a conductor of energy and information and so in the human body with regard to energy production, and our interaction with the Unified Field.

So, this is an opportunity for all of us to geek out a little bit and really dive in deep and so I'm going to just let you one of the most brilliant biophysicists I've ever met, take the floor. And so go ahead William, just let us know what you've been doing.

William Brown – Thank you Dr. Beth. It's great to be speaking with you. I'm really excited to share some of this information. Our latest work on Water Day, here. So, as you have described, Nassim and Olivier have been finishing their two-year-long around the clock work on a Unified Physics, a model of Unified Physics, that is probably one of the most comprehensive solutions I've seen. It was one of the most comprehensive solutions that’s been produced to date. And it's very exciting because we're at the point in the development of the theory, of the mathematics, solutions, that we can start to see how it applies to the functioning of the biological system. So, we can start to apply some of the mathematics.

There’s thermodynamic equations, there's equations for phase transitions of matter. So like, crystalline phases, liquid phases, amorphous phases, these kind of things, which actually become very pertinent when you're thinking about water. And it's different, the different kind of phase transition transitions you can have. Particularly the liquid crystalline phase, which is very interesting.

But so, you know, we've been able to start applying some of these mathematics to the study of the bio physics, in particular, a new bio energetics of the cell. So, looking at the molecular level of the energy production and utilization of the cellular system.

Dr. Beth - And are you talking primarily right now about the energy production in the mitochondria?

William - Yes, yes. So that is the star player when it comes to bioenergetics. So veritably all of the cellular energy that allows us to live and thrive and function moment to moment day to day, is coming from the energy production occurring in the mitochondria.

And this is a little… it is a sub cellular organelle for folks that don't know so, you know, within each one of your cells, you can have anywhere from 100 to 1000 mitochondria, and it's just this extremely dynamic living system within the cell.

DB - Yeah, you know, and I think it's good for our viewers to note to learn that at one point, these were bacteria and they, they, it at some point in our evolution, they moved intracellular and then became part of our cells and now they function as an intracellular organelle.

WB -  Yeah and owing to that bacterial ancestry, you know, that there… At some point, you know, there were essentially endosymbionts of the cell. You that you can when you're looking at them, like in live microscopy, it almost seems like they do still kind of have a mind of their own. All around.

DB - They kind of run around like bacteria.

WB - Yeah.

DB – It’s super cool.

WB - Yeah. Very dynamic.

DB - And they have the same kind of DNA as bacteria. So, it's very different than our double. Well, it's very different than our DNA. It's circular.

WB - Yeah, a circular plasmid. And, you know, it's only about 1500 base pairs long compared to our 3 billion-long genomes.

You know, that there's a lot of interesting things that can be said about DNA as well. It’s just that it's very interesting because having a more bacterial like genome, they don't have any all of the, what we call like non protein coding gene segments. So like, mobile genetic elements, highly repetitive DNA elements, so you know, 98% or more of our genome are, are these non protein coding gene segments.

DB - Yeah.

WB - But so like the mitochondrial genome and bacterial genomes, as well are just like extremely streamlined. So, they're, they're much smaller where it's mostly just chains.

DB - Yeah. Just the stuff that that is necessary for their form and function.

WB - But you know, so, within the mitochondria, we have the energy production, which is the production of ATP, adenosine triphosphate, which is it's actually a nucleotide— a nucleoside, one of the nucleotides for the base pairs of DNA, and in terms of cellular bioenergetics it is the currency of energy. So just about every energetic process taking place, in the cell and in the body. is occurring via exchanges or the transfer of the phosphate groups of the ATP.

Now, in mitochondria, what you have occurring is the transduction of energy. So, the conversion of energy from one form to another.

DB - So, a transformer

WB - Yeah, so the mitochondria are using water to form an electrochemical gradient. So that's electric, electrical potential energy. And then it can convert that electrochemical potential energy into mechanical energy. So that's kinetic energy.

DB - Is that spinning the router that's the rotor motor? I think it's really important. I don't want to interrupt you, but it's important for people to note that within the mitochondria, you have these routers that at one point in a conversation I have with you, William, you said is spinning at the same rate as a jet engine. That's like spinning the protons across the membrane, right?

WB - Yeah, yeah. So, you know, when it's just humming along, it's at about 8,000 to 10,000 RPM, which is a jet engine, the rotational rate of a jet engine. In some of our calculations we've shown that at particular pH gradients, electro chemical potentials, which you know, is formed by grabbing protons from the liquid crystalline water matrix in the mitochondria. At particular pH gradients, they can get as high as 60,000 RPM, 1000 revolutions per second.

DB - Okay, let's put this in perspective for a minute. This is extraordinary. So that's like, that would be way faster than fastest jet on the planet. By like, what? Five times?

WB - Yes.

DB - And how many of these routers do you have on one mitochondria?

WB – So, if you were to look inside the mitochondria, so the mitochondria are double celled organelles. So, the membrane double membrane organelles. So, they've got an outer membrane, which is in the cytosol of your cell, and then they have the inner membrane. In the inner membrane, it's highly enfolded.

DB - Yep.

WB – So, it actually resembles a lot like the sulci and gyri of the neocortex.

DB - Yes, very much so.

WB- Which I don't think is coincidental. And that kind of starts to speak to some of the roles of the mitochondria in information transduction in the cell. It is also somewhat the brain of the cell.

DB - That's right.

WB - Now, that high degree of folding of the inner membrane gives it a large surface area. Much larger than if it was just a simple spherical membrane. The reason for that is it can fit a lot more of those rotors, ATP synthase, enzymes, catalytic converters, all within the inner membrane. It also forms little compartments called cristae. Yeah, inside.

If you look at that inner membrane through like an electron microscope, you can just see it's studded with these ATPase enzymes.

DB - Okay. So, you got 1000s of these within the inner membrane of one mitochondrion. You have sometimes multiple 1000s mitochondria within a cell. Each one of these can be rotating at jet engine speeds, or five times that, and it's the water that's driving it. I think that's the critical thing to say on Water Day. Hello, we're 99% water by number of molecules and the water is driving this. And so, talk about how this plugs us in to the form matrix of the Unified Field and allows for the exchange of energy from the field itself.

WB - In a lot of ways, it's like a water engine.

DB - I’ve said it's like a free energy engine. Plug it in there.

WB - Yeah. Because you know the water is what's supplying the protons to form that electrochemical gradient, which forms the proton motive force that allows the rotor to convert electromechanical energy into chemical bond energy that is ATP. And what it does that it produces, it regenerates I should say, water. So, it's kind of like water in water out you know, and then the free energy utilization. You know, there's the primary source is from pyruvate. So, you know, it is using the chemical bonds we get from food to produce high energy electrons, to pump those protons against their osmotic gradient to produce that electrochemical potential.

There are some other possibilities. It can drive some of the ATP production just by being in sunlight. So, light absorption can cause ATP biosynthesis. And one of the things that we're looking at is our coupling with the energy structure of spacetime.

DB - That's what I… Yeah, that's what we should talk about.

WB – Because, so, some of the mathematics that Nassim and Olivier have been brought in to describe the constitutive energetic fluctuations that are occurring all the time in free space. That's also known as the quantum vacuum fluctuations. So, you know the vacuum it is classically empty and devoid of energy. It's a true vacuum in that sense. But once you start applying quantum mechanics to it, quantum field theory, you see the empty space is not empty. In fact, the physicist John Archibald Wheeler said, Space, the vacuum, is the seat of the highest energy physics. Actually, at the Planck scale, you have basically the highest energy vibrations, oscillations that are allowable before the space collapse, collapses into a black hole.

DB - Wow. That's so cool. I mean, you did think about that the like, like, I love it. I just want to back up for a second. Because… Sorry to interrupt, but you know, the size of a Planck to human cell is the size of a human cell to the universe. So, you have these little tiny things that are almost infinitely small, and they're all like, they've got this particular kind of dynamic happening. They're all they're all moving, vibrating. Then you have so many packed together. What's the number in a proton for example, 10 to the 64?

WB – Ten to the 80.

DB - They’re packed in there; they're all doing their little gyration…

WB - That's as many protons as there are in the universe. 10 to the 80.

DB - 10 to the 80. So I mean, so yes, it's the most incredibly high energy state when you're going down at the quantum level. And that's what we all that's where we're all birthed from. Like, that's what we all derived from, from this incredibly high energy state. And so, I think what the physics that are being written currently, they'll be published shortly, where they are going to talk about how do we interact with that, that energy. And right here I've always been fascinated with the mitochondria and water, like two favorite topics, and it's like it that's all coming together right here in this intersection of how water is playing this role in the mitochondria to really plug us into the energies of the vacuum.

WB – It’s the interface.

DB - It's the interface. It's the interface for so much in the body. I mean, really, it's the interface for everything. It's the how our entire body is interacting with the Unified Field. But I think also I wanted to ask you, like, you know how I went through medical school and it was I was taught your ATP production depends on the glucose in your diet and the oxygen that you breathe and… And then when you really do the math, and I can't believe more people haven't like critically thought about this. You don't… there's no way in the world that you can eat enough food to generate the mitochondria to generate the ATP that's literally required to fuel your body, let alone if you're running a marathon or something like that.

So now, are you saying that it's really the water that that's supplying the energy for that?

WB - Yeah, yeah. Well, via coupling to the energetic structure, the energetic dynamic of space, that you just described. Those quantum energetic fluctuations or oscillations.

Yeah, because I mean, you know, if you're sitting around in a given day, you regenerate your body's weight in ATP. That's how much you're using just on baseline, thermal processes, and maintenance processes of your body.

DB - Right. And then you ran a marathon and you're generating tons. Yeah, I think what is it like two tons?

WB - Approximately a metric ton. A metric ton.

DB - Oh my god

WB - 1000 kilograms of ATP. That you’re regenerating.

DB - Wow.

WB - So you've got the adenosine diphosphate. You can think of it as like the backbone. And then what the mitochondria does is it puts a high energy phosphate group onto it. And just by the way, the phosphate reports on there is quantum entangled. So actually, ATP has been shown by, like mainstream physicists to be a potential functional qubit, a quantum bit, so but

DB - I need to hear more because that was bothering me, too. Okay. ‘Cause. Where's all this coming from? We are sharing our phosphate, that is what you are saying, through the vacuum?

WB - Well, so first off… It’s spin entanglement. There are two elements primarily in the body. If you count lithium 6, there's three and lithium 6 plays an important role. But there's two elements in the body that have a special spin state of the nuclei. One is the proton in water. So, water, when it's in the liquid crystalline phase, that's how it exists in cell, in the cellular system, the protons there are delocalized. They're being shared with the oxygens. So, you know, you have this…

DB - It's like a colloid. Yeah

WB - And it's this like, dynamic equilibrium exchange between O three H and O H with the protons moving around.

The protons, you know, they're… they have spin. And the spin that they have is a special state that is very weakly interacting with ambient magnetic fields, and electrical fields.

So, if you have two such protons in this water matrix that interact with each other, they can become entangled, and maintain that entangled state for physiologically relevant timeframes before decoherence occurs. Because you know that the body is (compared to most quantum mechanical states) a high temperature system.

The other element that has this unique spin state is phosphorus. It is the center of that phosphate group in ATP. So, you have with ATP, that's triphosphate (three phosphate groups) attached to the adenosine nucleoside. When the ATPase mitochondria is putting that phosphate group on to ADP, it's actually becoming quantum entangled with the phosphates on that ADP. Because the spin state can become quantum entangled and it's long lasting. Now because of the specific spin of phosphorus is very resistant to decoherence by ambient, magnetic and electrical fields.

DB – That’s an important thing. So, otherwise we'd all disappear.

WB - So, this this ATP, the mitochondria is generating all this quantum entangled ATP that's going out into the cell going out into the intercellular system. And you can think of it as forming like this entanglement network with all these bits. And so an ATP molecule leaves the mitochondria goes to an enzyme in the cell. That's important for like DNA replication, even mitosis of the cell regulating aspects of mitosis in the cell, puts this quantum entangled phosphate group onto it. Now you've got a direct informational link between the water matrix and the mitochondria that's coupled to the vacuum structure and physiological regulatory activities in the cell.

So, what we can begin to do is form like a direct causal link of information transduction. You know, the mitochondria is really a transducer. So, it's converting or transducing energy and we believe in what we're starting to apply the mathematics to describe is also transduction. of information that goes hand in hand with the bio energetics, the generation of energy, which as you pointed out, really can't be fully accounted for by what you eat.

DB – Yeah

WB - I mean, especially when you consider like a fasting state, like 40 days.

DB – I’ve almost got the analogy just now of like, of like, the mitochondria… We’re getting plugged into the vacuum via the mitochondria. And the water is like the electrical wire.

WB - So one of the really interesting things about some of the mathematics that Olivier and Nassim had developed is in describing that quantum vacuum fluctuation of space. They're actually applying of some of.. haha

Having some of our ARK Crystal structured water there (drinks from ARK Crystal Water Bottle)

But they're actually applying some of the same mathematics that are used to describe phase transitions in water. So, you know, say water going from the liquid to the crystalline phase or liquid to solid phase. You can actually describe the vacuum planck plasma, those energetic quantum harmonic oscillators, with some of the same mathematics for phase transition.

DB - Yes. It's interesting because it's all… they're all plasmas, right? Like so you've got the Planck plasma and then water, you could almost describe like a plasma.

WB - Very much. Yeah, very similar. I mean, you know, especially in the mitochondria, where you've got these delocalized or free ranging protons. Yeah. And, you know, in that inter membrane compartment of the mitochondria, you've got a high amount of free protons, almost like a plasma state.

DB - Yeah.

WB - And you're that's what supplying the proton motive force to drive the ATP rotor synthase

DB - Oh my gosh, it's so cool. So, knowing what you're, you know, just with all this modeling that you guys are doing, where do you see it going from here? Like, this is what I think people are really going to want to know. So how does this benefit me? Because I'm imagining that we're going to be able to design technologies to support health because really, as I've said so many times like, like mitochondrial functioning and learning how to optimize that, in you know, in medicine is truly the holy grail. Because mitochondrial dysfunction is at the root of all diseases, and really at the root of aging.

It's like our mitochondria, you know, don't become dysfunctional as we age. We age as our mitochondria become dysfunctional.

WB - Well said.

DB – So, it's like we now are so close to really cracking the code on and … on how to optimize mitochondrial function and we have some good technologies so already that are really a game changers for my patients, you know, like the near infrared light therapies, the red light therapies and NADIVs I'm doing in the clinic and you know, of course the nutrients we've been working with for some time peptides to kind of enhance coupling of, of cardiolipin, you know, with the membrane. And so, there's a lot that we have, but it's just the tip of the iceberg of what's possible. Like what I'm envisioning one day is someone being able to step into a chamber and it's somehow like, aligns the mitochondria with the with the vacuum, plugs us in in a more efficient way. What do you see for the future?

WB - Very similar to that. Yeah, because you know, you have all these spin dynamics that are central to this are the bio energetics of the mitochondrial ATP production in functionality. So, spinning out the protons and the water, spinning of the proton-like plasma and the inter membrane compartment coupling like a transformer, like an inductor, to the spinning rotor of the ATPase ATP synthase enzyme.

So, you know, it's possible to have like a spin the spin coupling.

So, with like a spinning plasma to produce a, like a circular circularly polarized electromagnetic field with like highly coherent spin orientation. And what we hope to do is by fully characterizing the spin state of the ATP synthase, its energetic flux and transduction of energy from the electrochemical potential energy to the chemical bond energy and ATP,  we could produce a system that can couple to that and really that you know, in the mitochondrial in a membrane, this is a super complex of ATPases, and you're like, the potential to synchronize them all… synchronize all their spin states so that the efficiency of ATP production goes to like 100%. You know, because the ATP is, is a very interesting thermodynamic system in that it converts that energy already from the mechanical kinetic energy of the spin to ATP synthesis that has 100% efficient energy transfer. In terms of like thermodynamics, that

DB - … doesn't happen.

WB - Yeah, that needs to be explained

DB - That's a miracle.

WB - You know, I think that that's another area where we'll be able to explain how that is able to occur via the coupling with the vacuum structure.

DB - Right. I think that basically, if we can optimize coupling with the vacuum structure, then there is the appropriate exchange of, of energy to maintain the physiology and to reduce entropy.

WB - Yeah, yeah.

DB - They just must… Right in that area. There must be such great coherency it allows for this kind of perfect functioning.

WB – And you know… So that the energetic state of the mitochondria is for it, is also an informational state. And so, it can tell the mitochondria whether or not it needs to multiply, you know, have the cell multiply, or it can be a signal to the mitochondria to like, undergo apoptosis.

DB - I know. Yeah, like that's the thing. It's like what happens is we… We age because this happens, but what tends to happen, as we age chronologically is that you just have more and more and more mitochondria that are slightly damaged that are just not working as well. And really, you need to trigger mitophagy which is like the cell to recognize that and kill that one and then make a new one that's, that's bigger and more robust and you know, pristine, so that it can then function at kind of this youthful level.

WB - And even parallel to that, getting rid of senescence cells. You know, a huge part of aging is the accumulation of these senescence cells that just sit there and pump out inflammatory cytokines. Essentially, toxins. You know, they're not fully functional cells. Mitochondria tell those cells to go away by apoptosis.

DB - Yeah, that's like one it's really equally important, you know, to birthing a new cell is to killing the bad one in the body in order to stay healthy and because that's where some of these practices come in to… into the play is a practices of like caloric restriction, intermittent fasting, and ketogenic diets and things that that kind of remind the body to, to kind of, like clean up the old stuff and birth the new.

WB - Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it's like, we have technologies in mind, under development to  more strongly couple the body via the mitochondria via the water matrix in the mitochondria, to that information-energy structure, especially the coherent phases of the quantum vacuum. And by doing that, you know, it will increase cellular vitality, which is part and parcel with increasing correct intercellular signaling about cellular regulation.

DB – Yes

WB - You know, for rejuvenation purposes. And, you know, the ARK Crystal water (bottle) is kind of the first iteration of this technology…

DB - And you can totally tell the difference with this water I drink it all day. Love it.

WB – Yeah. Getting into some of the modeling and writing some of the mathematics for the energy production in the mitochondria and this has me like super cognizant, every time I’m reaching for the water to drink it, you know, just the understanding that that water that I'm drinking, you know, a good portion of it is going into the mitochondria. And now water is going to be incorporated into that crystalline matrix inside the matrix of the mitochondria. And this is going to be supplying the protons that are driving that ATP production those ATPase enzymes. So, like you know, this even as a first iteration technology is already helping to augment the coupling of the mitochondria to that energy transduction system.

DB – Yep. And I think we've talked a lot about how the water serving as a substrate with these kind of protons, delivering these protons, but I also just want to reemphasize that when we're replete with water in the body, our whole body's like a liquid crystal. And I feel that that in that acts like an interface, it acts like an amplifying conduit between our biology and the energy and information in the Unified Field. So, it just… just again, on Water Day want to emphasize that one of the most important things you can do for your health is drink water and drink the right water. Ideally, purified and structured water that's been energized you know, something like with the ARK Crystal here because you want to ideally be drinking half your body weight in ounces of water every day. And I can completely tell who does that he doesn't do that when in my medical practice and just even when I'm walking down the street. It's so evident and you will feel better you will think better, you will have greater meditations, you will have less pain in your body… You will have fewer toxins in your body, your immune system works better. Everything works better. And you've kind of related to our discussion today. You're just going to have more energy, you know, it's going to help you feel plugged in to the field as you should.

It's like It's like plugging into an electric outlet.

WB - If you can start with liquid ARK Crystal and water going in, you know it's going to make it all much more easy for your body to form that liquid crystalline water in quantum coherence state…

DB - Inside. because it takes energy. It takes energy to structure the water, whether it's outside your body, or structure it inside your body. So, if you're pulling into your body water that's already kind of taken that energy to form structure, whether it lasts whether it's passing through your digestive acids and everything when it goes into the body in a structured state or not, is almost irrelevant because it… The energy that was required to structure the water outside your body gets communicated to your physiology once it's inside. So, it's really critical to drink structured water if you can if you can, and there's multiple ways to structure water. So, I'm sure there'll be a lot of people talking today about different ways to structure water.

But William, this is such a great conversation, and you know this will appeal to the scientifically minded people here and hopefully to everyone just to kind of distill out the salient points of you know, we are, we are derived from this field of energy and information and our health depends on our degree of resonance with this field. And water plays a huge role in that. And you and Nassim and Olivier are writing the math and kind of modeling how this water is actually doing that. And it's just so fun to learn. So, thank you and I can't wait to see the technologies that spin out of this and I think I think we'll be sharing more about these technologies in the coming months.

WB – Well, I certainly look forward to further discussions with you about as the technologies develop and as some of our work develop.

DB - Awesome. You're one of my favorite people to talk to you, William, thank you so much for coming on. Okay, take care say hi to everyone over at Torus Tech.

WB - Take Care.

DB - Bye


Dr Beth McDougall

About Dr. Beth McDougall's work, from ARK Crystal inventor and the Resonance Science Foundation's Director of Research, Nassim Haramein:

"The last few decades in physics have demonstrated that we live in a fundamental field of information that holds the blueprint of all organized matter and systems.

Dr. Beth McDougall’s remarkable work is pioneering a completely transcendent approach to health and well-being. By applying this new thinking in physics, to what she calls "The Pristine Blueprint", she gives us a clear map on how to maintain and return to optimal health.

I believe this book is critical to the evolution of medical technologies of the future, and to the general well-being and health of individuals and our world!" – Nassim Haramein Founder, The Resonance Science Foundation.

Learn more in Dr. Beth's new book "Your Pristine Blueprint: The Missing Key to Longevity, Reversing Disease, and Radically Transforming Your Life